advocate
Joined: 25 Apr 2003
Posts: 20
Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2003 6:45 pm Post subject: Charging 700 Bucks for patients to take Home Hemo Course
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If you're a patient and you want education on how the machine works look no more. One company will give you the education you're seeking for just 700 bucks! What a steal!!
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Hard to believe
Joined: 28 Jun 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:26 am Post subject: hard to believe
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Hard to believe that any company now would try that.
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patient
Joined: 29 Oct 2002
Posts: 137
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 5:33 am Post subject: What Co. & Where
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Advocate where did you see that information. I'd like to read just what all there selling for the $700.
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advocate
Joined: 25 Apr 2003
Posts: 20
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject: Charging for patient education
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Will post as soon as I find out the company. In the meantime, I have another report. A longtime patient inquired if she could be trained with the techs. She was told no as it would be a liability issue if she recognized when the techs were comitting errors and sued the company
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say what
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
Posts: 29
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 4:15 pm Post subject: COME ON
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PUT UP THE PROOF. WHAT COMPANY AND WHERE.
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whatabout
Joined: 28 Jun 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: Units that offer self care?
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How does that differ from this course? Is that why many units do not offer self care- because of the fear of<
>lawsuits?
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Patient2
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
Posts: 10
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 3:43 am Post subject: Training
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Yes, that fear and the real fear is that you will know too much and start challenging there cost cutting ways. <
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>Such as the issue of reuse. You'll figure out that if the dialyzer that your on is white, then your not getting your blood cleaned, and they will not continue to make pure profit off of each of your treatment.<
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>The linoleum ceiling of education in dialysis is, to educate enough so you will show up on time, take your meds, restrict fluid intake and sleep the rest of the time.<
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>Education is power and protection.
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goodpoint
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:11 am Post subject: About educating yourself
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I read many articles, ask lots of questions, read<
>this list and others and still feel I don't have a handle on what dialysis really is. It seems that you need to read textbooks on hydraulics, chemistry, biology, medicine, and fluid mechanics. <
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>The staff in my clinic do not have time to answer questions and most of the patients do not read even the literature NKF distributes. They do not ask questions, and sometimes I wonder if they die because of lack of education. <
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>On the flip side, the staff work hard, but I think are so<
>burned out, they give up trying to educate. <
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ridgerunner
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 101
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:32 am Post subject: education
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if you want to be educated the information is all on the internet, if you want some scientific information it is on HDCN. in fact there is a paid service on hdcn where you can get all the information a doctor would get. there is a lot of free service too. if you can operate a simple computer you can operate a dialysis machine in fact it is a very simple computer like in a car it will tell you if you are doing something wrong and how to correct it. it will allow you to do something wrong and tell you what to do to correct it. there is no reason if a person can read very simple instructions that they can not operate a dialysis machine.
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ridgerunner
Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 101
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 11:36 am Post subject: education
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if you want to be educated the information is all on the internet, if you want some scientific information it is on HDCN. in fact there is a paid service on hdcn where you can get all the information a doctor would get. there is a lot of free service too. if you can operate a simple computer you can operate a dialysis machine in fact it is a very simple computer like in a car it will tell you if you are doing something wrong and how to correct it. it will allow you to do something wrong and tell you what to do to correct it. there is no reason if a person can read very simple instructions that they can not operate a dialysis machine. the information from the national kidney foundation is usually so much bunk. the nation is paid for and run by the industry.
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The reason
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2003 12:26 pm Post subject: your staff
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doesn't answer your questions is probably because they are not as educated as you think. This is what I discovered. They can't answer what they don't know. They bluff patients by acting like they are too busy to answer.<
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>And I understand just what you mean..you can be observant and read all you can, but still be prevented from fully understanding the tx and being able to protect yourself. I believe the reason for this is, it is important to learn in a logical order and with support as in a class setting. Otherwise, you're jumping around trying to put things together without seeing the foundational principles for each aspect and how one point connects to another. Or often you observe how the tech is doing something, but the tech is actually not doing it correctly. So you pick up wrong knowledge and procedure and then have to unlearn it or it prevents you from then learning something else. <
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>I firmly believe if there was a good course a patient could take, the knowledge of dialysis and the operation of the machine could be mastered just the same as any other subject is mastered. But when patients are not educated properly it takes much longer to pick up the information, not to mention being so very stressful.
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Disgusted
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 45
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:13 am Post subject: education
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If a patient wishes to learn about their treatment, then the staff should start teaching. It is irrelevant if the education begins from the time the patient is weighed or arterial conductivity two hours into the treatment. If I waited for a classroom
setting for dialysis at treatment I would know absolutely nothing at all.
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Doubtfull
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
Posts: 1
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:50 am Post subject: Rumors as facts
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I question the wisdom of passing off rumors as facts, particularly when the source of the rumor is an anonymous poster (goes by Lorrie) on the Brumley board.<
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>I also think the idea that units do what they do because of a fear of lawsuits is not logical. To my knowledge, and I have looked, no unit has ever been sued because of staff incompetence or because of any sort of lapse on the part of the patient. I don't even mean successfully sued. I mean that after an exhaustive search I have concluded that no unit has ever been sued for a patient care issue. I would love to be wrong so if you have an example please post.<
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