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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:33 am Post subject: Dialysis vs. War and Terrorism deaths.
While keeping up with the news on terrorism and the war in Iraq, it is a good idea to keep in mind the relative death tolls from dialysis in the U.S. and the terrorism and war deaths.<
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>With our death rate of 22% for dialysis (12% above international norms), we are losing an extra 35,000 or so people a year as a result of poor treatment.<
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>This is over 10 times the 9-11 toll.<
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>It is double our annual homicide toll of 18,000.<
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>And yet, WHERE ARE THE HEADLINES ON THIS SCANDALOUS LOSS OF LIFE?<
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>WHERE ARE THE POLITICIANS WHO EVEN MENTION IT?<
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>WHEN is this issue going to emerge with the importance it deserves???<
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A closer look
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:19 am Post subject: Apples, oranges and grapefruit
Criticism of hemodialysis in the United States causes uneasiness in patients and despair in dialysis facility directors. Stated simply, it is alleged that in the United States avoidable deaths account for approximately 23 percent of first year dialysis mortality. This is in stark contrast with Europe that has a rate of about 15 percent and Japan of nine percent. Before American nephrologists are forced to wear a scarlet letter of shame, however, the impact of selection bias on reports of survival on dialysis should be examined.<
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>The National Kidney Foundation (NKF) in their press release of November 14, 1995, "called for a massive effort to lower the all-too-high mortality rate of dialysis patients in the U.S. and improve the care provided under Medicare's kidney dialysis program." Pointing out that the "24 percent mortality rate for U.S. dialysis patients, the highest rate in the industrialized world, is simply unacceptable," NKF states "We can and should do better to lower the death rate."<
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>Insufficient (inadequate) dialysis and suboptimal quality control of dialysis delivery were suggested reasons for the so-called excessive death rate in the United States. Calling for enforcement by the Health Care Financing Administration (HCFA), NKF desired standards for defining minimal acceptable dialysis (time and frequency) and staffing in dialysis units. Additionally, NKF linked the purportedly higher U.S. dialysis death rate, in part, to the decline in reimbursement by HCFA from $135 per dialysis in 1973 to $126 in 1995 despite inflation in labor costs. NKF felt such a situation, "encourages corner cutting and results in poor quality service by dialysis units."<
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>Echoing NKF's concern over a high U.S. death rate on dialysis, a Consensus Conference at the National Institutes of Health (CCNIH) concluded: "The dose of hemodialysis and peritoneal dialysis has been suboptimal for many patients in the United States." The dose of dialysis may be estimated by measuring fractional urea clearance during the hemodialysis procedure and expressed as Kt/V. A Kt/V minimal delivered hemodialysis dose of at least 1.2 was advocated by the Conference. (Please see the aakpAdvisory: Inadequate Hemodialysis Increases the Risk of Premature Death).<
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>Oranges must be compared with oranges of the same size, freshness and growth history when reporting on samples in a particular grocery store. Illustrating this point, in the 1960's, transplant enthusiasts cele
ated markedly. A third of a century later, we understand how transplant surgeons practiced "cherry picking," meaning selection (and removal) from the general population of dialysis patients of relatively healthy individuals. These are the people placed on a waiting list for a cadaver donor kidney, thus leaving behind sicker dialysis patients at greater risk of death. According to the U.S. Renal Data System (USRDS), "the standardized mortality ratio for patients on dialysis awaiting transplantation was 38 to 58 percent lower than that for all patients on dialysis. In other words, transplant teams start with patients less likely to die than those not picked for transplantation.<
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>The contrast between death rates in the United States and the truly spectacular outcome of dialysis units in France is repeatedly cited as evidence of American deficiency. Especially lauded is the unmatchable "landmark" longevity reported in Tassin, France. In 1983, Drs. Laurent, Calemard and Charra analyzed 373 hemodialysis patients. They found a remarkable survival rate of 75 percent at 10 years and 65 percent at 15 years. Although supposedly "an unselected population," there were actually only 15 patients (four percent) who had diabetes while another 15 (four percent) had systemic disease. What was the fate of uremic people in Tassin who were not accepted for dialysis (diabetic, very old, extensive systemic disease)? Obviously, they died, uncounted in any ESRD survival statistics. By providing dialysis to healthier patients, France and other European countries built a superior survival rate. American survival rates can never match this, as all American patients are accepted into our dialysis system.<
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>Skewed selection and transplant rates are factors that make dialysis survival appear good on paper. International comparisons ignoring selection factors and attributing differences in survival to technique are meaningless. An inspection of the 1995 registry report of the European Dialysis and Transplant Association (EDTA) affirms the persistent exclusion of older uremic patients by stating, "The median age of ESRD patients in the UK in 1992 was 60 years, while in Sweden it was 66 years, in France 63 years and in Germany 62 years. Study of international registries reveals an economic influence on rationing limits for ESRD programs worldwide. Rationing is a kind term for restricting admission to dialysis. <
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>Clearly, treatment for ESRD patients is a product of governmental policies and economic pressures. Treatment of renal failure in the United Kingdom under performs countries in Western Europe and the United States. As recently as April 2000, Shaldon, a UK home hemodialysis pioneer, wrote, "Most distressing is the appalling state of dialysis availability in the United Kingdom. Although, successive governments since 1964 have refused to budget adequately for the needs of the renal services, the conspiracy of silence entered into by the medical profession seems to be equally responsible. As long as primary care doctors, acting as indoctrinated gatekeepers, refuse to refer elderly patients to renal units for dialysis, nephrologists can continue to claim that they accept all patients referred to them."<
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>There is no doubt that outside the United States, many women, the elderly and racial minorities die untreated. In Eastern Europe, after the Berlin Wall fell, it became evident that ESRD therapy, though equivalent in survival to that reported for Western Europe, was restricted to Communist Party members or the otherwise rich and powerful. This means that a low ESRD treatment rate can hide deaths due to renal failure. <
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>If the acceptance rate explains even partially the disparity between the United States and Europe, what can explain the superior survival of Japanese hemodialysis patients? One need only look at international comparisons of the number of functioning kidney transplants by country to note that the United States leads, while Japan ranks at the bottom. Japan's low transplant rate means that the youngest and healthiest patients remain within the hemodialysis pool. But in the United States, these same young healthy patients are eight times more likely to be removed from hemodialysis statistics after receiving a kidney.<
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>In fact, the United States has the highest rate of new treatment for ESRD among reporting registries worldwide. The United States accepts twice as many patients than Europe (320 per million population in 199 , 40 percent more than Canada and 36 percent more than Japan. <
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>Why this discrepancy? There are three possible answers:<
>1. The United States has a higher incidence of ESRD than any other part of the world. (African Americans and Native Americans attribute to higher rates) <
>2. The United States treats ESRD in "marginal patients" who are otherwise quite ill. (i.e. extensive spread of cancer) <
>3. Other countries do not treat a substantial portion of ESRD patients who die from other listed causes. The United States has over twice the treatment rate for ESRD than other industrialized European countries, while Canada treats approximately one-half the number of patients. <
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>According to my analysis, both the higher treatment and higher death rates in the United States are indicators of relative health in the American system for ESRD care when compared with the rest of the world. Think it through. Could it really be the Canadian-U.S. border that causes two different worlds of ESRD? Or is it the same
system that drives Canadians to the United States for coronary bypass, hip replacement and other modern medical procedures? We now know that this was the reality in East Germany before the Wall came down. And, it certainly is what takes place in Mexico. Put succinctly, rationing life-sustaining though expensive health care for budgetary reasons is accomplished at the expense of life. So, if the frail, very sick and elderly are excluded from ESRD therapy to die from other causes, then ESRD survival rates are enhanced.<
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>Over the past decade, I have personally inspected ambulatory hemodialysis facilities, including chart reviews and patient interviews, in more than a dozen overseas programs in Europe and Asia. While subtle differences in management may have eluded my detection, the level of care delivered as judged by predialysis serum albumin, creatinine, phosphorous concentrations and hematocrit, appeared at best equivalent to that for a U.S. typical unit. Lacking outside the United States, however, were late evening shifts geared toward fostering rehabilitation in patients employed during the day. Also absent, except in the U.K., was the daily participation of our literature distribution by patient activist groups such as the American Association of Kidney Patients. My impression of dialysis quality outside of the United States left me comfortable in the belief that our Medicare standard of dialysis was not routinely exceeded.<
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>There is strong evidence of consistent under reporting of dialysis deaths throughout Europe leading Ritz, to state, "Recent problems in the EDTA Registry have led to considerable under reporting, so that the figures for international outcomes (deaths and complications) have become unreliable and are probably over optimistic." Furthermore, based on my examination of dialyzed patients in Kobe, Kyoto, Tokyo, Sapporo and Yokohama, I am reluctant to accept the premise that hemodialysis performance is uniformly better in Japan than in the United States. Japanese patients complain about long waits, a lack of explanations or informed consent procedures and poor physical facilities.<
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>Underscoring all of this, is the finding that survival in the general population after the age of 80 is statistically superior in the United States to that in England, France, Japan and Sweden. Be cautious, therefore, in condemning the U.S. medicare. ESRD program, which, after proper study is conducted, may very well prove to be the best provider of universal uremia therapy in any nation for all of its citizens.<
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>Eli Friedman, MD is the Chief of the Division of Renal Disease for State University of New York, Health Science Center at Brooklyn. Dr. Friedman is the chairperson of the AAKP Medical Advisory Board. <
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>This article originally appeared in aakpRENALIFE, Vol. 16, No. 3, November 2000.
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say what
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:54 pm Post subject: ?
Where was the NKF before the 2000 hearings?Remember the statistics are skewed,after all the Networks were 3 years or more behind in statistics?<
>What is the true number? Ask any worker in a non-profit unit. How many Renalin deaths? How many training errors? Remember these deaths are not documented,just buried. Our death tolls arent even close to the true number. Remember we dont count the first 90 days or HIV in the tally.Only count what the government pays for.<
>It is interesting that the only research or such is self serving? Hmmm!<
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Sam Brooks died
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2003 3:56 pm Post subject: One of the CEO's of Renal Care Group
Just thought that everyone would like to know. He passed on from cancer.<
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plugger
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 2:28 am Post subject: above article isn't helping me
I really do wish the above article would assure me that all is well in dialysisland. But for starters, I remember things like the quote from Dr. Kjellstrand "the Japanese patients who dialyze as short and fast as USA patients, have the same awful death rate as in the USA". I remember all the studies, stories, and testimonials I've seen on daily and slow nocturnal dialysis. I remember all the studies on reuse. I remember all the posts of what happens when these companies take over a unit (most seen here). I question some of his reasoning, for example his no. 1 reason for the high death rate: "1. The United States has a higher incidence of ESRD than any other part of the world. (African Americans and Native Americans attribute to higher rates)". More people get ESRD here, so a greater percentage have to die. Huh? I'm not following here. I find it hard to believe all these countries are leaving their sick and elderly out to die (I'm not talking third world nations here).<
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>Sorry, I would love to be assured, but this article isn't doing it. It is starting to look like a pile of half-baked theories and conjecture done by someone who has an interest in the status quo. Many of us have seen this article before, but thanks for digging it up again.<
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patient
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 2:58 am Post subject: Dialysis vs. War and Terrorism deaths
Beginning reply to Dr. Friedman,<
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>I don't have more time now, but want to reply to your extensive comments.<
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>It is too bad that the objective situation is distressing, but there is no point in holding the TRUTH away from patients and doctors. It is only knowing the truth that will enable us to change this atrocious situation.<
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>You are arguing for self-calming, probably to assuage your own conscience, as you are part of a system that has little oversight, poor training, inadequate treatment and is fraught with conflicts of interest.<
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>It is also killing people.<
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>Regarding all your statistical arguments, I do not have time to reply in detai, but I am well aware of US dialysis centers with a normal mix of patients with mortality rates under 10% and others well over 30%.<
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>What is the difference? QUALITY OF CARE.<
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>Signing off for now,<
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>A (proactive) patient.
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Lin
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 11:17 am Post subject: Of no concern!
Just my opinion, but I don't give a rat's patootie what the stats are for other countries; unless ALL data is collected in the same way it doesn't matter!<
>What matters is that in a super power, residents should get super healthcare and super dialysis. The price is "super" but the care is not adequate, not even close. <
>I know that many on dialysis have other contributing factors, and when they die many say "oh well, it wasn't from dialysis". Hmmm, is that true, or did they die in spite of having other comorbid factors? Do the companies, networks, ect. stand by with that excuse so they can absolve themselves? All I know is that my husband has strict orders in the event of my death, and knowing me like he does he wouldn't dare not carry those orders out. Lin.
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Bill Peckham
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:40 pm Post subject: Ongoing study of differences
An interesting site:<
>www.dopps.org/<
>DOPPS is a large, international, prospective, observational trial of HD patients. I have only skimmed their site; I would be interested in what others find interesting.<
>Here is a link to a 2001 report on their preliminary results:<
>www.ikidney.com/iKidney/I...sStudy.htm<
>There is a big difference in fistula v. graph use between Europe and the US I think that would have a serious impact on survival.
