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God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« on: November 09, 2010, 09:38:16 AM »
The Atlantic
By Robin Fields/ProPublica

Every year, more than 100,000 Americans start dialysis. One in four of them will die within 12 months
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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2010, 01:12:48 PM »
Robin Fields is on Public Broadcast radio, as is Dr. Straube. It is about time that the "dirty" little secret is out. Robin has done an excellent job......one that many newspapers were afraid of doing.

I am proud to know her.

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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 06:27:27 AM »
It looks like all we have to do is copy the Italian system.  Is it done yet?

It was good to see Larry's story getting out.  He has been through a lot and people ought to know.

Larry Hall and DialysisEthics

I went ahead and put the Propublica story on the front page of the website.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2010, 12:55:22 PM »
Industry titan DaVita deems assessment "disappointing"

By Steve Raabe
The Denver Post
Posted: 11/10/2010 01:00:00 AM MST
Updated: 11/10/2010 01:49:32 AM MST

The ProPublica article on the U.S. dialysis industry is misleading and misinterprets data, said officials of Denver-based DaVita Inc., the nation's largest dialysis provider.

While the mortality rate of U.S. kidney patients is higher than in some other industrialized countries, the rate has steadily fallen, and patients generally receive high-quality care, said Dr. Allen Nissenson, chief medical officer of DaVita.

Nissenson said the article is "profoundly disappointing. It took some information and did not clearly explain it or (present) it in a way that people could understand the issues."

DaVita operates 1,582 dialysis clinics, with a workforce of about 34,000, including 749 in Colorado.

The firm last year moved its corporate headquarters from El Segundo, Calif., to metro Denver, becoming Colorado's ninth Fortune 500 company.

DaVita plans to begin construction next year on a $101 million headquarters building in the Central Platte Valley at the west end of the 16th Street Mall.

DaVita officials noted that the mortality rate of U.S. dialysis patients has fallen by 8.5 percent since 2002, from 231.3 per 1,000 patients that year to 211.7 in 2007, the most recent year reported by the U.S. Renal Data System.

The U.S. has comparatively higher death rates, Nissenson said, for two reasons: Patients tend to come into the dialysis system already sicker than those in other countries, and the U.S. has higher proportions of blacks and Latinos
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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2010, 01:35:13 PM »
Golly gee, didn't see this coming  :thumbsdown: :

"The U.S. has comparatively higher death rates, Nissenson said, for two reasons: Patients tend to come into the dialysis system already sicker than those in other countries (continued)"

Tell you what DaVita, you will have to convince the following folks what you say is true before I would even consider changing my mind - about what I've been hearing for over ten years:

"The cumulative survival of Japanese hemodialysis patients is more than 2.5 times better than that of dialysis patients in the United States (U.S.). The difference is particularly pronounced in older patients, being 4 times better in patients over the age of 50 years. The mortality in U.S. patients has increased from 10 to 25% over the last three decades, but has remained stable at around 10% in Japan. There is no obvious difference in patient selection. The Japanese accept almost as high a proportion of diabetic patients as does the United States, and the mean age of incident patients is higher in Japan. Renal transplantation, virtually absent in Japan, should increase mortality in U.S. dialysis patients by removing patients with the highest probability of survival, but even if one adds surviving transplant patients and studies prevalent populations, the survival rate is much better in Japan. Genetic factors are unlikely to explain differences in mortality, as older Americans live much longer than older Japanese. We speculate that the difference lies in the practice of dialysis. Patients in the United States are generally treated by much faster and shorter dialysis than in Japan. This puts a severe burden on the cardiovascular system of older patients, leading to the poorer survival rate. Japanese physicians also appear to be better trained in dialysis and to spend more time with their patients. The nursing shortage in the United States may also contribute to the increased mortality. Whatever the explanations, the U.S. dialysis community must work to equal and, hopefully, surpass the now superior survival of Japanese dialysis patients."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19379344?dopt=Abstract  

(above article by Dr. Christopher Blagg
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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2010, 02:15:44 PM »
If DaVita is doing the best they can, why is it a company like DCI is doing so much better?  Don't they work under the same health care system?

http://www.dialysisethics2.org/forum/index.php?topic=592.msg938;topicseen#msg938
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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2010, 04:19:01 PM »
I just talked to Arlene about the mortality rate and she said and I quote:

"If DaVita wasn't the biggest dismisser of patients, the mortality rate might be lower!

Love and Kisses,
Arlene
THE BEST IS YET TO COME!"

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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 11:36:51 AM »
I find the article in the Denver Post amazing. First of all it has taken Robin Fields almost 3 years to write this story. She came in and still is totally neutral.

First of all she has been privy to documents that support her position. I would invite the Denver Post to not "parrot" an organization. The surface has only been scratched. She is coming out with more.

Sometimes it is easy to come to that conclusion. I would invite the reporter to contact me. I have direct emails from the government doing nothing to help establish patients in a clinic. The patients have in some cases been dismissed for questioning their care.

I have also contacted DaVita at the top levels....Kent Thiry and David Shaperio. Not one time have they helped. In my eyes and advocating for 13 1/2 years to clean up this industry, they are the leaders in dismissing patients and turning their backs. I have documents and emails of patients who are not getting quality of care. Example: Wilmington NC.....they were cited for patient care issues and if they did not change their policies, they were on the fast track for "patient safety issues". They also were cited for dismissing Larry Hall....! I have many cases of so called Davita quality of care.

The part that upsets me the most is that once Kent and cronies have been contacted, they did nothing....even worse than that I feel they clearly dont care. Cash cows is a good term for  Davita.

I challenge you to contact me....I will forward some real eye opening information. Dont parrot....get the true infor.


My email is  hcpaitentrights@ yahoo.comil

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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 11:39:20 AM »
oops typing so fast...my email is:
hcpatientrights@yahoo.com

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Re: God Help You. You're on Dialysis
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 07:33:04 AM »
I'm reminded of another article the Denver Post wrote, one that wasn't a DaVita press release:

http://www.dialysisethics2.org/index.php/More-Featured-Items/davita-proves-need-for-stark-law.html

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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 09:41:34 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 09:46:31 AM »
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